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Deanna ([personal profile] dr4b) wrote2008-05-09 12:03 am

Gaijin SMASH

Kawakami Kenshin is BACK woohooooo. And Tatsunami got his first hit of the season! And naturally I was at work for the whole evening and just get to see this stuff on the news highlights. Also 18-year-old Yokohama rookie Ryoma Satoh hit four batters in four innings tonight and catapulted himself into the CL lead in hit batters. AND they're doing the web gems of the week now on Megaspo and I swear I was actually there for like half of these. SO awesome!

Today I thought I would have like 4 hours free in the afternoon between classes so I decided to bring my laptop to GEOS and try to get other things done during the day, except like a moron, I forgot that I'd need a 2-prong-to-3-prong adapter there. And as it turned out I also kinda needed to head home for another reason mid-day, so I ended up coming back to my apartment for about 30 minutes in the middle of the day, which was actually pretty nice, though I ended up dropping my laptop off here again then, and didn't get anything done after all. Sadly tomorrow my nice big expanse of free afternoon time just got chopped in half by having 3 classes added to my schedule tomorrow. Whee.

On my way back to GEOS, I was hit by one of my huge pet peeves -- people who make a big deal about Talking To The White Person In English. I mean, I understand that sometimes these people are just really proud that OMG they know a few words in English, and maybe they think it's Great Customer Service to do so, but really, there are a few main reasons this practice bugs me:

1) I don't WANT you to talk to me in English unless I specifically ask for it. Plus, in general, I can understand your Japanese much better than I can understand your poor English. If I talk to you in Japanese, just reply to me in Japanese rather than short-circuiting your little brain. It'll save us both a lot of trouble.
2) It's EMBARRASSING. The entire country assuming that You Have White Skin, Therefore You Can't Understand Japanese, is REALLY grating after a while.
3) Foreigners speak languages other than English, you know. White Skin does not mean Native English Speaker. I have half a mind to just bitch out the next person who treats me this way, tell them I can't understand English in Japanese, and start swearing at them in Spanish or something. Then at least they'll be embarrassed too.

So anyway, I went to get a katsu sandwich for dinner from Wako in Akabane Station, and I had to wait in line for like 5 minutes due to a fairly slow cashier guy. So finally I get up there and I say in Japanese, お持ち帰りで、ひれかつサンドを一つ下さい ("I'd like one hirekatsu sandwich, to go, please,") and he says in very thick Engrish, "Please wait one minute", gets out the sandwich... then tells me the price (399 yen) in the same slow stupid Engrish. I REPEAT the price in Japanese and put down a 500-yen coin, trying to signal "Stop talking to me in English, you retard", but it doesn't work, as he hands me 110 yen and says "Sankyuu berry machi."

Those of you who can do math will notice that the change should be 101 yen, not 110 yen. And actually normally I totally would go back and correct people for doing that sort of thing (I have done so several times in the past), but since the guy refused to admit that I can speak Japanese, I refused to admit that I can also do math.

[identity profile] jacquilynne.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
It helps, I find, in situations like that to remember that while you've been gaijined dozens, if not hundreds or thousands, of times since you got to Japan, most if not all of the people who did it weren't that guy.

It's the same for tall people who get tired of basketball and weather-up-there jokes, or very pregnant women who get asked if it's twins. They are tired of the comments, because they hear them several times a day. But the person making them doesn't make those comments several times a day. The endless repetitiveness of it is not their fault, and taking out your frustrations on the straw that broke the camels back is unfair to the straw.

[identity profile] dvarin.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 05:49 pm (UTC)(link)
It would be unfair to blame the straw alone or imply that only it were behaving badly. Frustration-taking-out seems like a different issue, being by nature random and unfair regardless.

[identity profile] jacquilynne.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 06:23 pm (UTC)(link)
It would be if they overreacted on the racist like they were responsible for every wrong comment they'd ever heard, yes.

If you want to hold individuals accountable for their behaviour, go ahead -- tell them flat out that you speak Japanese better than they speak English if you like. Do it every time.

My point is that it's not a good idea to let all this anger build up and then explode it all over one individual who, realistically, was only a tiny part of the overall situation.

[identity profile] nykkel.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 05:08 pm (UTC)(link)
You could try responding to them in the same halting English.

[identity profile] genericman.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 05:31 pm (UTC)(link)
Practice saying "Je suis desole, je ne parle pas de anglais, je parle seulement japonais" in a convincing French accent. That ought to stop 'em. :)

[identity profile] bhudson.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 06:06 pm (UTC)(link)
My own pet peeve: I "love" how service people in Montreal will respond in broken English to my French, if I look like I'm trying to figure something out (like what kind of soup I want with my panini). Which is my native language.

[identity profile] dvarin.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Strange. Shouldn't they be able to tell from accent that you're not just some clueless New Yorker practicing their high-school French?

[identity profile] dvarin.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 05:43 pm (UTC)(link)
1) I don't WANT you to talk to me in English unless I specifically ask for it. Plus, in general, I can understand your Japanese much better than I can understand your poor English.

This is, in a nutshell, why in America I only initiate conversations in Japanese with people who are clearly not Japanese, and speak to Japanese people in English unless it becomes really obvious that Japanese would be less painful. Though I've met people who do it the other way around and think that this way is strange.

I'll also recommend occaisionally pretending to speak only French or German or Italian or Spanish. :)

[identity profile] oren.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
I had a conversation last week that was sort of odd. I went to a Japanese restaurant with my friend Chris and his wife who is Japanese. The waitress asked what she wanted in Japanese and then asked me in English. I answered in Japanese only because I had already done the mental switch. I didn't think it was odd until afterwards.

[identity profile] dvarin.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh, reminds me of the 2/3-kyuu trip to NYC where I accidentally asked for the restroom in Japanese. :)

[identity profile] ysabel.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 05:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I love the idea of cursing them out in Spanish.

[identity profile] rehana.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 07:19 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't decide if it would be funnier to do it angrily or cheerfully.

[identity profile] jacquez.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Foreigners speak languages other than English, you know. White Skin does not mean Native English Speaker. I have half a mind to just bitch out the next person who treats me this way, tell them I can't understand English in Japanese, and start swearing at them in Spanish or something. Then at least they'll be embarrassed too.

for some reason, this strikes me as HYSTERICALLY FUNNY.

[identity profile] qqthxnvkhfuuzza.livejournal.com 2008-05-09 01:45 am (UTC)(link)
If you knew enough Korean, that would be even better.

[identity profile] tadzilla.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 07:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I usually don't get talked to in English unless I draw a blank on what I'm about to say next, which makes it obvious I'm far from fluent in Japanese.

Another reason could be that they want to practice their English with a native speaker. My cousin Tsubasa wants to study abroad someday, and he talks to me almost exclusively in English.

[identity profile] the2belo.livejournal.com 2008-05-08 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
Usually what I do in this situation, when they just refuse to yield, is: totally lie, as follows: (in Japanese) "Sir, I'm sorry, but I can't understand a word you're saying. I'm German."

They immediately heel. No one has ever called me on my Germanity yet.

[identity profile] guitarcries.livejournal.com 2008-05-09 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm, I really wish I had tried that when I was in Japan, cos this type of situation used to drive me insane.

[identity profile] the2belo.livejournal.com 2008-05-10 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
I am of mostly German heritage, which helps matters. I'm glad no one ever called me on it and started speaking to me in broken German instead :)

[identity profile] guitarcries.livejournal.com 2008-05-09 03:29 am (UTC)(link)
UGH, I was in that situation so many times. It used to drive me fucking insane. My favorite example is when I went to sign up at a gym. We had this in depth conversation and I was filling out complicated paperwork, and the guy feels the need to start saying things like "two weeks" to me in English. HELLO?? I think if I can negotiate a fucking contract in Japanese, you can say "ni shu kan" to me for god fucking sake.

[identity profile] shiguma.livejournal.com 2008-05-09 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
I couldn't agree more. Regardless of their intentions, it's very condescending, especially to those of us who have spent *years* of our life studying and/or refining our skills with the Japanese language.

If I'm speaking Japanese, I expect a Japanese response. Occasionally, if they say something I don't understand and I give them the perplexed "arched eyebrow" look, and if they happen to know the English equivalent of the word, that's cool, I'll be very appreciative. But simple shit like "sumokingu oa no sumokingu," come on, give me a break.

Let's compare: business professional working in a foreign country vs. restaurant employee making minimum wage. How stupid do they think we are? And more importantly, WHY?

[identity profile] tadzilla.livejournal.com 2008-05-09 06:30 am (UTC)(link)
Superiority complex, perhaps. Obviously in the past (i.e. Tokugawa era and before), when they believed that Japan was placed above all other races, and that the emperor was divine, but also a survey done in 1983 showed that Japanese people thought they were superior to Americans, which probably implies all foreigners.

[identity profile] shiguma.livejournal.com 2008-05-09 06:38 am (UTC)(link)
Sadly, I'm not surprised at all. Do you have a link to this survey?

[identity profile] dvarin.livejournal.com 2008-05-09 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Let's compare: business professional working in a foreign country vs. restaurant employee making minimum wage. How stupid do they think we are?

The obvious answer is, "as stupid as they are."

[identity profile] kawaru.livejournal.com 2008-05-09 07:55 am (UTC)(link)
Haven't you heard? Everyone in gaikoku speaks English. We're all from the same country and all have the same culture, so obviously we all speak the same language. This is very basic and I'm surprised you didn't know it.

It's also the reason we all have big noses, don'cha know! Which is completely unrelated to the scientific fact that the only people who can speak Japanese are full-blooded Yamato minzoku. It's genetic!

Sometimes I want to make a t-shirt and wear it around that says something against the ridiculous behaviour everyone here thinks is perfectly acceptable, and you know, see if anyone responds to it. *virtual pat-pat on the back*

[identity profile] shiguma.livejournal.com 2008-05-09 02:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, you think like me /and/ you have a Dance Dance Revolution avatar! You should clearly be my friend. *nods*

[identity profile] jacquilynne.livejournal.com 2008-05-09 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
That would be awesome.

If anyone ever asks you if you know what it says, you have to read it incorrectly, as well, and tell them that your buddy gave it to you and said it was for [something innocuous here]

[identity profile] tadzilla.livejournal.com 2008-05-10 08:52 am (UTC)(link)
あんたは私が何を話しているかことを分からないと思うけど、違います!

[identity profile] dvarin.livejournal.com 2008-05-09 05:35 pm (UTC)(link)
The reason that so many people go to Japan merely to pick up girfriends is because it's all males here in gaikoku. >.>

[identity profile] shandrew.livejournal.com 2008-05-12 10:56 am (UTC)(link)
This reminds me of something i did last week...I was ordering food at my local tacqueria, and the person behind the counter confirmed my order in Spanish (which is fine even though i don't know spanish, since it's words like BURRITO and CARNE ASADA). Then it was my turn to confirm that her confirmation was correct, and i nodded loudly said "HAI". I'm pretty sure she thought i was crazy, but i got the correct food anyway.