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Deanna ([personal profile] dr4b) wrote2003-06-23 03:06 am
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Well, I just finished reading Order of the Phoenix

THAT. FUCKING. BITCH.

I'm never reading another Harry Potter book as long as I live. I can't fucking believe what an atrocity this fucking 5th book was, nor can I believe I wasted my whole Sunday reading that pitiful excuse for a continuation of a good story.

No spoilers here. Just know that I'm fucking pissed off. I'm not kidding, I'm not sure I can even think of any of the other Harry Potter stuff again without wanting to hurl all of the other books into a bonfire or something. What a LOAD OF CRAP. I hope she dies.

For the record, I was right about every single thing in the book EXCEPT the one most important thing. I just can't fucking believe it. I had heard the predictions and the "spoilers" about it and just ignored them because it didn't make any fucking sense...

And as I was just saying, too... there are good moments in the book, that is true - but a LOT of it was gut-wrenchingly painful to read. I mean, sure, we're all used to reading about people being mean and/or unfair to Harry but for crying out loud, 600 pages of it is more than anyone should have to take. Bleh. I really don't think the ending or the few cool scenes (or the Weasleys) make up for the rest of it.

So usually I'd write an entry about what I did today, but since basically I woke up, read the HP book, went to M+J's house, read the HP book there too, went to dinner at Bluwater with Megan, Josh, Justin, Colleen, Cory, Heidi, and Eli... came home, read the HP book some more... finished at 3am... I have nothing to say about today. And never in my life have I wanted to throw a book into a fire after reading it as with this one. Except Eli needs to finish it and Megan wanted to borrow my copy too.

The odd thing is that tonight at dinner I was remembering how the last Harry Potter book came out on July 8 2000 or so... the same week I started playing DDR (on that July 4th at SVGL with Tim Showalter). On the night HP4 came out I was in downtown Palo Alto with Tim, and Erik Ogan and Matt Andrews and some other people and we were all like "why is there such a big crowd at the bookstore?" and it was because the HP book was out... except I ended up ordering it off Amazon along with a copy of Mastering Regular Expressions. Yeah. Anyway, I dunno, it feels like I've been playing DDR forever, it's funny to realize that it's been 3 years, and also 3 years since the last HP book. And do we have to now wait another 3 years to find out how she's going to make up for this pile of crap? I have to wonder if I care anymore. And I'm sure in a few days I'll have calmed down, but for now I just hate J.K.Rowling with a passion.

[identity profile] bastardchimp.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
Okay...Wow...

..I was never a fan of the crap in the first place but one of the few things I can share with my nephew (now 7 years old) so I've read them all to and, most recently, with him. NOW...I haven't gotten the new one yet and now, wow...I was a bit let down with #4...a little too dark and disjointed...this one is really that bad?

I must know more. Spoil the damned thing, I don't care...Who dies?

[identity profile] sk4p.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 05:53 am (UTC)(link)
Don't hold back, Dee. Tell us how you really feel. *hug*

Just talking about this the other day

[identity profile] daming.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 06:38 am (UTC)(link)
Wow! Sorry to hear it was such a diassapointment. I was just talking about THIS same thing the other day.

I've never read the HP books and don't really understand the hype, but I do think it's a great thing that children are reading.

Yesterday I was talking to my roomate and another friend, both of whom went to the bookstore at like the ass crack of dawn to get it. I was saying that it seems to me with the fervor that the book has picked up, it is most likely going to crash with the same intensity. Nothing can maintain that sort of quick long-term intensity. I guess my prediction was true. I figured if this book wasn't bad at least by the last one, I'm sure alot of people would be upset because of over expectations.

Oh well, have to see if my roomate decides to shoot the book or something next week when he finishes. :)

Re: Just talking about this the other day

[identity profile] zqfmbg.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 08:17 am (UTC)(link)
My dad remarked that he saw a huge pile (20+) of Order of the Phoenix novels on sale for nearly half off at a local supermarket yesterday.

Overprinting? Suddenly soft demand? I wonder...

Re: Just talking about this the other day

[identity profile] ka3ytl.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 12:53 pm (UTC)(link)
um... I actually think that it is a marketing ploy. You can get it just about anywhere for ~$16.

I think we hit... nobody's going to pay $29.99 for it, but if we say that's what it costs and then give a steep discount, people will snatch them up because they are such a deal

*shrug*

[identity profile] alegria-a.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 07:35 am (UTC)(link)
Well, that was rather violent. :)

I'm not sure what you're attacking here - the story itself, or how Rowling told the story. I would agree that the way Rowling told the story was at times a bit annoying, and quite full of adolescent angst, but that it fits in with the series at large. Harry (and the rest) is 15 years old, he's hit full adolescence, and on top of the normal stuff kids go through he's dealing with a Dark Lord trying to kill him (among other things). I also feel that a lot of the story was working on setting up things for the end of the series, such as how Fudge (mis)handled the Ministry of Magic, what Umbridge did to Hogwarts, and how the Order of the Phoenix was working against the Death Eaters. There's quite a bit of subtle stuff going on in the background if you look beyond the "omg omg angst hate scar hurts" that Harry is going through. I think that the main characters grew up a good bit in this book, and that the last two novels will be much more adult. At some point there had to be a transition between a children's book and adult fiction, as Rowling always stated there would be, and it seems like the end of Year 4 and all of Year 5 has done that.

If nothing else, the book made you hurry up and read through it, and that surely has to count for something? :)

[identity profile] sleeplessone.livejournal.com 2003-06-25 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
"I'm not sure what you're attacking here - the story itself, or how Rowling told the story."

Wouldn't that be the exact same thing. It's not like this is a remake of someone else's work.

"If nothing else, the book made you hurry up and read through it, and that surely has to count for something? :)"

Kindof the way you hurry through reading a book when it's a requirement for a class?

[identity profile] tesposit.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 08:16 am (UTC)(link)
So I take it you were slightly disappointed in the book...

[identity profile] rmitz.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 08:26 am (UTC)(link)
Ugh. People being mean to Harry are the worst parts of the series. Well, that and Lockhart, whose character actually made me stop reading the series...

[identity profile] alegria-a.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 09:16 am (UTC)(link)
Really? I thought Lockhart was hilarious, and his portrayal by Kenneth Branagh in the second movie was great. :)

[identity profile] rmitz.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 11:02 am (UTC)(link)
Posers annoy the crap out of me. That said, in the movie he is bearable.

[identity profile] mylene2k.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
Wasn't the point of his character that posers annoy the crap out of everyone?

[identity profile] rmitz.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
If I'm going to be annoyed, why should I bother reading something?

Re:

[identity profile] mylene2k.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 12:45 pm (UTC)(link)
To watch him get his in the end? Enjoyment of the satirical way in which Rowling plays with his character and others reaction to him?

[identity profile] daviticus.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 09:27 am (UTC)(link)
People being mean to Harry can get old, but that isn't what bothered me about the book... I was just annoyed how all of the people fighting Voldemort were so horrible to each other. Seriously, you couldn't put two of the good guys in a room together for 10 minutes without one of them trying to curse the other. Especially in Harry's case, he was mad at everybody, even his best friends, and Dumbledore, and... yeah. I got pretty frustrated about that. I mean, sure, these people are under stress, but that doesn't mean that 900 pages of intense stress is something I really want to read. I think I still enjoyed the book on the whole despite that, though. I'll wait till the dust clears, but at the moment it looks like four is still my favorite.

David

[identity profile] alibash.livejournal.com 2003-06-24 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
I think my opinions are pretty close/related to dave's so I'll just reply here instead of a straight comment:
[and note. contains spoilers (but there's enough of them in this comment area already, i think it's safe.)]
Yeah, there was lots of angst in this book. And like dave said, the friends fighting thing was kind of strange, but that (not the angst, but the friend conflicts), I think is probably makes the book better. Like the whole bit with Snape and Sirius, and Molly fighting everyone being uberprotective. It certainly beats bland characters who "don't fight because they're on the same team," like some sort of D&D quest or something ;)
Harry's angst/fighting with friends was ... tolerable. At least I could sympathize with Harry usually (especially with his summer being lonely and crap. oh man. i wanted the summer part to end quick). My main complaint was that it's hard to believe Harry is so stupid! I mean, the mirror thing, falling for the trap at the end (despite hermione's spelling it out for him), inability to make up with Snape, inability to understand Cho, and of course not going to talk to people apparently just to make the story longer (but this hasn't changed since book 1 =P
Yeah, I dunno. The Angsty-Harry bit didn't really bother me so bad. I think because it's totally understandable to me to be in a "everyone sucks, why can't anybody help me! shut up! I won't let you help me!" kind of mood. Granted, I didn't do that in highschool...I didn't much of the normal highschool emotional development stuff like that I guess. I got hit with way more of that in college =p

replying to myself...

[identity profile] alibash.livejournal.com 2003-06-25 04:19 am (UTC)(link)
Oooh and another thing I forgot to mention: Why on earth did they set up a loophole for the DA meetings, and then not go with it?? The decree said a club was a "regularly scheduled meeting" and then they showed immediately after that the DA meetings could not in fact be regularly scheduled (thus the rings, which failed to even make a debut in the confrontation scene)! Buuut noooo, dumbledore needs some way to get kicked out, so, Harry takes a blow to his IQ...

[identity profile] lasvegasangel.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 09:33 am (UTC)(link)
What happens?! Does Hermoine die or something?

[identity profile] ludimagist.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 11:13 am (UTC)(link)
I will take that post as a strong recommendation to wait for the paperback.

I got into the HP craze late in the game, I think book 3 had just come out when I started reading them.

Read the His Dark Materials series by Philip Pullman if you haven't yet. It's being marketed as Harry Potter for grownups and I personally think it's a superior work. Also, Tom Stoppard is writing the screenplay for the film adaptation, so that by itself should be a recommendation for those books.

[identity profile] mh75.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 12:06 pm (UTC)(link)
I dunno, i listend to a piece of NPR on the way to work in which a panel of about 3 kids and 1 adult discussed the new book. Other kids called in. The biggest complaint was that there was too much teenagery behavior from Harry. No one wanted to kill JK Rowling.

At any rate, the books are what they are. I think they are good, but not sublime, fiction. I have enjoyed reading them, and i suspect i will continue to read them. (Actually, there are things that could happen that could turn me off, i guess i'll just have to see.)

So, Dee, can i have (read) your book now that you hate it?

[identity profile] chaoticgoodnik.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 12:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Out of curiosity, what do you consider to be the most important thing?

[identity profile] skie.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)
i'm sorry, i know this entry has already exploded with comments and i have nothing to say about harry potter, i haven't even finished the first book :X . but i did have to say.... I LOVE THAT POUTY ICON SO MUCH!!!! hehehehe sorry *hides*

[identity profile] sleepsong.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 04:07 pm (UTC)(link)
Dare I even ask what specifically was so bad about it?

[identity profile] rehana.livejournal.com 2003-06-23 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow, I was in that same bookstore Saturday. And it was crowded. :)

Sorry to hear the book was so bad.

[identity profile] soiwas.livejournal.com 2003-06-24 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Which book was that? Harry Potter and the Enormous Royalty Check?

Never read the series. Probably won't until long after the hype and sizzle has died down ... then again I'm not such a big reader of fiction.

[identity profile] sorjai.livejournal.com 2003-06-24 07:56 am (UTC)(link)
ehhh, I guess the bigger the hype, the bigger the disappointment? I dunno... I mean she did cry when she killed off one of her main characters (I still dunno who and probably won't know until the movie comes out). Oh wells, can't like them all...

And I thought this was kinda amusing... when u said u weren't gonna read another of her books ever again, but yet you wonder how she'll "redeem" herself in 3 years or so.